Sci-Fi, owned by Universal, bring this exclusive interview about Serenity with writer/director Joss Whedon.

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Neat interview and thanks Gossi, but I didnt much like the "Its doubtfull"statement! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_neutral.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_mad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_sad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_mad.gif)

I, for one, refuse to give up hope. It sounds like maybe Joss is on the verge of giving up, and we need to do something about that!

My suggestion (which I've made ad mauseum in other threads) is to get as many NEW viewers to come to the Serenity Screenings in June as we can. Get LOTS of media attention, locally and nationally if possible. Make converts, gain Allies, and we might manage to pull it off. Gotta have faith! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif) TD/Tim

I can't give up either.. Joss doesn't say it's over, just that "right now, it's doubtful". Right now doesn't last forever.

When Joss says it's over and there will be no more..then I'll give up hope, until then I think we can keep attempting to show them that there is an audience out here for more. A PAYING audience out here wanting more.

I think the screenings are an excellent idea... good works coupled with getting the BDM noticed and us noticed.

I want more... never was much good at quitting.

Good: I think he's still a big Serenity fan, regardless of what the studios want.
I thought it was interesting that he thinks the lack of canon on Wonder Woman is a GOOD thing. Tells me he's not enamored of having to follow the leader, and will be able to make a heroine after his ideals.

Bad: Serenity II: Doubtful.
All those snippets of Wonder Woman comics look like Lucy Lawless, if not the wrestler Chyna.

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Hopeful: Joss will take the WW franchise in a more cosmic hooker friendly direction.

Anyone know how to download this video to ones hard drive? I'm starting an archive on my HD of all these videos.

I too am very discouraged from this interview. It will be years before a new movie if ever. They should just franchise the story to comics or books, in a larger way than current, and let the verse live in those venues.

I though that too, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_biggrin.gif) (not the wrestler though, i've never seen her before)

I have mixed emotions about this interview...I don't think that Joss has given up on a BDSequel but he is being a realist and in the volitale, unpredictible world of Hollywood he has to be, its not his money being spent and he can't rail on his benefactors. Remember as Gossi has on more than one occasion reminded us...Serenity did not make enough money from its theactrical release to kick a sequel or new series into high gear at Universal, it basically broke even and is only now probably starting to make some of the investment back.

As stated before I believe that dvd sales have got to reach the same volume as FF did to recapture Universal's attention, and that took what, two-three years. In the meantime we have to take it one step at a time and keep building/expanding the fanbase one recruit at a time and finding ways to influence Universal in some way. The June 23 Equality Now is just one of those steps. So find your own way to participate.

I too, like all of you want more from this story and these actors, and I ain't good at losing either.

LOL Big time!

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ChynaDoll...she uh wow... scares me, quite a lot really.

*now hiding under my bed*

I think that they should stop focusing on the movies and look to get back into TV as much as possible. A movie just seems like too large an investment and it really didn't pack any punch in the box office. Sure it's making profit on DVD and anymore studios follow DVD sales more closely than they do the box office because they make more profit there... but you know that nothing it going to green light a sequel more than those massive box office numbers and Serenity just didn't bring it. I think in some ways the movie does more harm than good... outside of the new recruits it brought in. But seeing as it's not brought in all the new browncoats I think it's time to leave the idea of a big damn sequel behind.

That said, on TV the ratings on Sci-Fi seem to be doing brilliantly. The DVD set of the show is still in the higher ranks of sales (atleast on Amazon.com, it's currently 35th in DVD sales - 19th in TV on DVD ) while other Sci-Fi shows quickly drop out of even the top 100. BSG is currently ranked at 181 and 140 for Seasons 1 and 2 respectively. And Firefly has been out for two years LONGER! How is it still on top of these shows? And call me crazy, I don't have the figures on it... but it looks to me like BSG is far more expensive to produce than Firefly. You'd think that everyone involved in BSG would get off their butts and grab Firefly right now! It's a certain thing to be more profitable than BSG at the very least. I just don't get it... it's one of those situations where everyone could win. It's such a sure bet.

Ah well, I guess I'm preaching to the choir here. Anyone know what the sales for Firefly are like on iTunes?

I know that Joss is brillant at multi-tasking but Wonder Woman must take up a pretty large part of his view right now. And maybe he wants to just do something new for a change. He pushed the Spike movie everywhere he could. He put his life and heart into the first Serenity movie (Notice I said first? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif) ) now maybe he just wants to look ahead. Wonder Woman seems to have been a difficult write. Who knows how hard the re-write is going to be.

This may be true, I'm not saying I disagree. But I don't think this interview was about that. He seemed to be saying that a sequel was unlikely... I don't think he was saying he wouldn't jump at the chance to do it. I think his comments are meant to say that no one has been calling... because well, no one has. It's not that he could make a sequel but he wants to do other projects... it's that he can't make a sequel. At least not yet.

Most of my favorite firefly episodes were neither written nor directed by Joss ... I wouldn't mind it at all if he did like Sam Ramie did with his various TV projects and let mutant Enemy serve like Renaissance or RoseBud... whichever was his... and while exercising creative control for quality assurance let other talents he trusts to take the reigns most of the time ... from the looks of the actors latest projects they should have ample free time in the very near future. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_neutral.gif)

Well, the deal -- honestly -- is this; nobody (from a business) wants to make another TV series or movie, at least for the moment. Which sucks, but it is what it is.

I'm really prone to believe that if those in charge would stop focusing on a movie so exclusively that TV studios might be up for some negotiations in regards to a return to the small screen. Firefly has been shown to get ratings and as I said above it's easily outselling more recent Sci-Fi TV shows even years after its release. In most of these interviews you just don't hear Joss talking about bringing Firefly back to TV... it's always about the chances for a sequel. And as far as sequels are concerned it's pretty clear that Firefly didn't translate all that well in terms of box office dollars. But I really doubt any network would be all that eager to turn away Firefly... I just think everyone involved is too focused on trying to force out a movie.

That's just my own personal opinion. I have no evidence to back it up, at least no more than anyone else's got... I'm just basing it on interviews. TV just doesn't seem to be a focus any longer and I think it really should be.

From a TV point of view, it's not returning. There's many reasons why, but primarily it's a money thing. The show was very expensive - at least twice that of a cable show like BSG, yet it only managed sub-4 million viewers in the ratings. Or, in other words, it didn't initially made money - it lost it. It got really bad ratings.

That's not to say the show isn't good - it is - but from day one it wasn't a "Lost" (which opened to over 20 million viewers).

20th Century Fox (or rather, Joss - really) tried to sell the show to Sci-Fi, ABC (etc), but nobody bit. Universal bought the motion picture rights -- at still has an option to make 2 more movies if it chooses.

Ultimately, going forward, either Universal exercise those rights, or nothing happens. There's always the option of ABC, NBC etc trying to get the TV licensing rights from 20th Century Fox, but the reality is they don't want to.

The movie was not the first option Joss (etc) explored.

Don't know about the rest of you, but I intend to hold til Mal gets back !

Me too, but our biggest enemy is Time. I was watching the Pilot episode yesterday and I watched the BDM right afterwards. You can see the difference that time makes in the appearance of the Actors. Joss can "freeze" the characters by putting them in comics or (my favorite choice) Novellas. To have a sequel, however, the Powers That Be need to move quickly. The only alternative would be to set the next Movie (or series, mini-series, whatever) a few years after the BDM's storyline. JMHO TD/Tim

This particular 'Verse has never followed the rules. It's broken boundaries of "the Biz" with some luck, granted, but that luck could never have happened without the people who have stood up for it. Our love of the ideas within the 'verse applies to our lives and sequel or not, series or not, money or not, we do NOT grant permission for anyone to take that away from us.

"You're fighting a war you've already lost."

"Yeah, well I'm known for that."

Yeah I understand the series has been a hard sell. And I know he tried to get the series picked up before going ahead with the movie, but like I said the movie is quite obviously a questionable move for the studios to consider. I'm just saying, TV seems like the more likely of the two options. If either format was going to give it's hard to argue the numbers. Heck even when you take in DVD sales, Firefly has held in alot longer than Serenity... meaning it's still bringing in great money for Fox.

That aside, I'm curious of some of your numbers. When you say it got four million in viewers, is that on Fox or on Sci-Fi in repeat?. If you're talking Fox... there's a reason why the numbers failed there. And it had nothing to do with the show imo. I was under the impressions that Sci-Fi was brining in really good ratings on the show (though to be fair I never checked how they were in relation to Battlestar) but still considering they're re-running an already cancelled show against one that's still being produced it's an uphill battle. One of the things the movie did succeed in doing is to bring a whole new level of exposure to the show. My whole point is that it's obvious a sequel isn't going to do much more good to help us get more Firefly... it's done all the good I think it can do. It got Firefly out there to alot of people who hadn't heard of it before.

Secondly, how much does BSG cost and why couldn't Firefly be made for around the same budget? I don't see why that would have to be true. The quality of BSG is relatively high and I see no reason why Firefly wouldn't be able to return under similar costs. But regardless... even if it costs alot more. Let's say Joss refused to make it at a lower cost and said the only way he could stay true to his vision would be to toss out a show twice the price as you suggest. We all know here that TV stations are reaping massive amounts of money on DVD's. In alot of cases the shows make more on DVD than they make on the air (especially with a show like Firefly). So let's look at that angel... even though the show's been getting good ratings on repeats on Sci-Fi it might still be seen as a ratings risk because of those low Fox numbers. But you know the station will make that up in DVD sales. The very fact that BSG has already dropped out of the top hundred so quickly while Firefly remains atop the charts says volumes. It's a clear sign to the studios that Firefly will make more money and has some impressive staying power. Even if the show would end up being more expensive... the DVD sales would more than make up for that. It wouldn't matter if BSG was half the price when Firefly is selling that many copies. At least if we're comparing BSG to Firefly.

Again it seems pretty obvious to me that bringing Firefly back to TV would be almost a sure thing in terms of ratings and a certain thing when it came to those MMMDVD (Massive Money Making DVD's!). At least that's how it seems to me. I think immediately after the show was cancelled it was a bit too soon to shop the other networks. They needed time to see that the show would be profitable. Now that time has come. Sci-Fi ratings are supposedly good and the DVD is still selling like crazy... it's sheer staying power is remarkable. Add to that the fact that Universal put Firefly out in front of just about everyone with Serenity and right now I'd say Firefly has the most potential in terms of ratings and money than it's ever had before. NOW is the time to think about TV.

I think a mini-series picking up right after the BDM could prove very attractive to a network. Most likely NBC or Sci-Fi, both associated with Universal which in turn are ALL associated with GE (who I just happen to work for! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif) ). Kind of like the miniseries of Farscape that was broadcast years after the original series. Only in this case, leave the ending open for another miniseries or series.

Now, as far as cost... Firefly was done on a shoestring budget, in order to afford all the cgi work that was added. I see no reason to assume Joss wouldn't be as cost-conscious a second time around. BSG probably costs a lot more, IMO. -And here's a thought: I for one would cheerfully donate the props I bought from PropStore to the Production, and I'm sure other BCs would as well. It's a drop in the bucket, but ANYthing to lower costs, right?

It's a thought... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)

I couldn't agree with you guys more. When I read about this story ending, I honestly cry a little. I am NOT ready to let go. I'm also not ready to start buying comics. So the story has GOT to continue on TV or in film. Makes no odds to me, but I love it too much to let go. It's not an option. It's got to just be a matter of time. It's GOT to be.

*sniff*

If the profile of the cast increases too that could certainly help the chances of a sequal too surely? Especially Nathan Fillion. If he starts moving up the actor ranks with his films being popular would that increase the chances of a sequal.

Universal would get more interest from an audience unrelated to Browncoats that way, which is what they want and another movie would need.

I agree.


I'm just curious as to how they advertised Firefly, Serenity and Slither? I mean when Slither came out, I hardly ever heard anything about it. I would talk to my other Sci Fi fan friends out there and they would go "Slither who?" I mean come on, someone must of stepped on someone toes or pissed someone off. Hollywood is so ruthless, devious and cruel! I mean it seems that someone out there is deliberately sabotaging sci fi films that have to do with any of the actors from FireFly?

Kevin Costner must of pissed off some big wig in Hollywood, because now a rumor “YES RUMOR” has started that he went in for a massage and instead masturbated in front of the masseuse. I heard this on the radio today.


This whole thing is so frustrating and confusing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_evil.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_confused.gif)

What's wrong with comics? And novellas? 'Cos I gotta tell ya, being a fan of shows like Farscape and Firefly has taught me to cherish each moment I can spend in these 'Verses. Sure, it'd be shiny to see more of the crew of Serenity on tv or at the cinema, but I can wait. I think that Joss has proven once already that when he wants something bad enough he can get it, and I also think he's wisely biding his time, waiting for his moment.
It would be daffy to push for more Serenifly at this point because it's too soon. Pursuing a it at this stage would lose him credibility, make it seem he was flogging a flagging mule. As much as I love this phenom, I can wait.
Our time will come again.

What you meen youe not supposed to masturbate in front of the masseuse?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_eek.gif) ... Wow then I am embarrassed and should probably send her a fruit basket or something.. at least a card...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_cry.gif) Oh dear God, not Joss too.
O CAPTAIN! my Captain!
That interview made me sad. If he's starting to loose hope... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_cry.gif)
Well, we'll not think of such things.

IF there's one thing we all know (and remember, our numbers grow by the day) it is that we will not rest in getting Firefly back.
We will never loose hope.
We will never give up.
We will never stop fighting for Firefly.